Automated Noise Enforcement

"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley) 08/16/2018 at 11:48 • Filed to: None

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So, I’ve honestly never heard of this technology, but they are trialing it in Edmonton. Essentially, it is photo-radar for noise. Any vehicle that it detects over 96db will be photographed and issued a ticket automatically.  What does Oppo think and have you heard of this before?

I really feel that as a society, we’re focusing on the wrong aspects of traffic enforcement. The government tells us this is for our own good, then implements it in a way that is geared for revenue collection.

Recently, in Metro Vancouver, they enabled all red-light cameras to also detect speed. Anybody who passes through an intersection over a certain speed, while green, will be ticketed. That to me, is an unacceptable use of a red-light camera, in a province where photo-radar is actually illegal . !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

random001 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 11:51

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Note to self, do not drive the Abarth in Edmonton....

Spanfeller is a twat > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 11:54

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Noise enforcment: good

Speed enforcement: bad to an extent. 

. . > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 11:55

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How long till some teens think of hanging around there with an air horn?

itschrome > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 11:55

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I do not support traffic cams fo r any sort of enforcement. In fact my city banned them and took down the whole network last year! hooray !

how ever! if this sound thing would ticket those dickwads on their loud stupid Harley’s and shit to the p oint they wil l put reasonable exhausts back on their bikes, I may be convinced to get on board!

His Stigness > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 11:57

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While I don’t disagree with the idea of ticketing people with stupid exhausts, I think their execution is bullshit and waste of time and money. Why not focus efforts on shit that actually kills/harms people, like DISTRACTED DRIVING??? I highly doubt loud exhausts kill or cause bodily harm to anyone.

And speeding through green lights? Again, why not focus on more important shit?

Oh yeah, that’s right, it’s not about protecting and serving, it’s about collecting revenue for ridiculous salaries and pensions*.

*Applies only to California as that’s the only place I have direct knowledge of the deceit and fraud that goes on. 

Textured Soy Protein > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 11:58

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I think if this were implemented near me I might get noise tickets semi-regularly.

Montgomery County Maryland where I live has a plentiful supply of speed cameras, but they kindly publish the locations so you at least can check if any routes you travel regularly have the cameras.

There are a few that I drive past regularly but most of them are on roads with 40 mph limits and plenty of lights so you have to make a pretty convincing effort to speed on them.

HammerheadFistpunch > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:01

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this would be so crazy easy to defeat.

https://www.soundlazer.com/product/sl-01-open-source-parametric-speaker/

Hide one of these babies nearby and point it at the mic. Done.

EDIT: man, turns out they have crappy range.

Plan B- just take a vibration module from a cell phone and tape it to the mic.  

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:01

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nope. In MI they have it in law about where the person has to stand to test db and how high the car is reving. And cops really dont care that much

MonkeePuzzle > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:08

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https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-mustang-cobra-jet-costs-130-000-and-is-l-1828385884

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:09

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Their focus should definitely be on distracted driving, however:

regular sustained exposure may cause permanent damage - 90-95 dB

razorbeamteam > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:11

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That’s ridiculous . If I got a ticket like that I would question the technology behind it. How do they know it was MY car that caused the noise?

I’m very against the Orwellian enforcement of traffic laws. In Chicago, a study proved that the red light cameras were ticketing drivers even though the yellow lights were set shorter than the state minimum of 3 seconds. The City acknowledged that the lights were set too short, acknowledged the tickets were BS, but refused to refund money to anyone.

Its been repeatedly proved that red light cameras do not actually curb red light running. There is some evidence to suggest they cause more problems because people will stop abruptly at yellow lights to avoid the ticket. It’s a cash grab plain and simple.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > His Stigness 08/16/2018 at 12:13

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Overly l oud exhaust: Annoying, but doesn’t really harm anything.

Distracted driving: Kills thousands per year.

Na, they’ve got their focus right........./s

facw > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:13

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I’m in favor of this sort of automatic enforcement in general, but of course with some caveats:

Speed limits (and other traffic laws) should be set reasonably, given that most people safely drive well over the limit they are clearly set too low. Previously the practical limits of ticketing meant that minor violations would usually be ignored, but as we approach an age where we can catch everything, we need to be more careful about actually having the law reflect what we want.

Similarly, we know that people aren’t always going to follow the law perfectly. While driving, it is easy to briefly lose track of you speed, or any number of other things, and indeed may be desirable, since if for instance someone is driving through a school zone, you want them to slow down, but you also want them looking around for children, not being laser focused on their speedometer. So any system you deploy should have some sort of wiggle room. Worry about catching gross violators , not people who slipped up a little.

Don’t require huge fines. In a situation where you are only catching a small percentage of violators, you need big fines to deter people. However, if you catch everyone, you don’t need to have large penalties to influence behavior, and you don’t need to have big fees for transgressions few will challenge in court.

These should be tools for helping public safety and discouraging anti-social behavior, not revenue generators. Done properly, you’d hope to see revenue decrease, to match lower policing budgets due to lower need for active police enforcement.

Anyway, with regards to this specific device, I say go for it. Noise pollution is a real problem that makes our communities less livable, so if offenders can be identified accurately, I’m all for it.

LOREM IPSUM > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:14

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I watched 4 vehicles in a row get camera-flashed at the King George/128 interchange yesterday, though unsure if due to speed or red light.

I’m not a fan, of any of it, but I just hope they set the thresholds high enough to only ticket the blatant offenders... If they have to do it at all.

Shame it's so scenic here, cause I can't wait to get out.

LOREM IPSUM > HammerheadFistpunch 08/16/2018 at 12:15

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Or take a cue from the UK, and just torch them at your earliest convenience.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:27

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Did you know that if you add styrofoam to 87 octane unleaded it becomes a sticky, highly flammable gel, which adheres to things even say 10 to 20 feet above the street ?

Just thought you all might be interested in that fact.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > facw 08/16/2018 at 12:31

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Get out of here with your reasonable, well thought out response!  Oh wait this isn’t FP so... carry on.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:31

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All those slow Harley s getting tickets, that’s gonna be entertaining.

WilliamsSW > razorbeamteam 08/16/2018 at 12:31

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The worst part is that it’s not even a government cash grab.

It’s private companies that lobby the shit out of officials and reap almost all of the profits. Fuck them with a rusty chainsaw. 

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 12:35

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I like the idea, but suspect the execution will be bad.

I live near a pedestrian district (restaurants, shops, etc) in an urban area and we have three major problems: 120 db Harleys slow rolling, sport bikes going approximately 0.98x the speed of sound after clearing the area, and drivers not realizing pedestrians are a thing. The first two could be solved but this method and I’d consider it. Then again it would also be solved by banning motorcycles and, considering my relationship with them at present, I am also all for that.

Edit: I should point out that the sound issue is just an annoyance, not a safety issue and therefore shouldn’t really be a focus of law enforcement.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 08/16/2018 at 12:44

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I did know that actually. I was involved in a claim where two kids were making that in their garage. One was bored and burned his initials into some Styrofoam with a lighter.

Needless to say, that was a massively poor decision.

Sovande > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 08/16/2018 at 13:01

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It’s funny, I live near a pedestrian district as well and what I see most often is pedestrians not realizing cars are a thing. You have never seen so many oblivious turds trundle out into a street in front of moving cars. But pedestrians have the right of way, they cry, as though physics gives a greasy goddamn.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 13:05

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Oh, that’s a good point.

Then again, the policy should get cancelled if there’s too many claims, right?

Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 13:07

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I support this for all the douchebags who make their  motorcycles loud. Looking at you Harley owners.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 08/16/2018 at 13:08

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It’s possible that could happen, yes.  Mid-term cancellations are rare, usually just a refusal to renew.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! 08/16/2018 at 13:10

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yeah, I was against this until I remembered Harley riders were a thing.

If it were up to me, we’d engineer some sort of sniper scope/deciblemeter combo and issue them to SWAT snipers stationed at major intersections.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/16/2018 at 13:21

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Overly loud exhaust: Easy, small fine and no insurance consequences, most people gonna suck it up=$$$$$

Distracted driving: Hard to target, will put up a fight in court=$

Pretty obvious.

Also. Speeding: Limit set unnaturally low so as to make 90% of the populace in contravention, easy to target, easy to play “nice cop” and give people a small break so they don’t get points and don’t fight it=ALL THE $$$$$$$$$$$

No, not for revenue. Never.

Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 13:21

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They are particularly annoying to me because I live on a river road that is popular for cruises. I have nothing against stock exhaust Harley’s because they are pretty quiet but those assholes with their ape  hanger handle bars and straight pipes need to die.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! 08/16/2018 at 13:24

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those assholes with their ape hanger handle bars and straight pipes need to die

Not to be brutal, but they frequently do.  My wife is with a Police Victim Services unit that responds to sudden deaths, and there are a lot of motorbike calls this summer.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > . . 08/16/2018 at 13:24

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“Teens”

Ha

If I lived there I’d already be out to buy a few of those air can horn thingies after reading this

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 13:24

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I wonder which “elected official” (sarcasm) has a brother or brother-in-law who runs the detector company.

LOREM IPSUM > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 08/16/2018 at 13:30

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I would like to make it clear that at no time did I ever see the above posted message and have no knowledge whatsoever of the contents contained therein.

Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 13:40

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Yeah, I wrote that in anger. I just hate Harley's.

CaptDale - is secretly British > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 13:44

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Fuck that. I would drive down that street full throttle Cobra with no mufflers and no plates 

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 14:13

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I haven’t heard of it and I’m totally against it. Or any other type of camera-based traffic enforcement.

- Speed Cameras. Limits are way too low as it is, and these do two things. Effectively turns the road into a toll road that also affects your insurance if they aren’t marked, and creates sudden changes in traffic speed when they are marked. One is effectively extortion and the other is straight-up dangerous.

- Red Light Cameras. These also have two main effects on drivers. One will speed up to avoid being caught inside the intersection on the red (even though the ticket is only issued if you enter on the red) and the other will nail the brakes the second the pedestrian light goes hard orange. And both of these types are more focused on the lights than on other vehicles around them. What could possibly go wrong? On top of that, they tend to scare drivers who don’t totally understand how they function from turning properly. Like refusing to turn right on a red. Or to enter the intersection on green to turn left. Or if they do enter when they turn left, will not move if the light goes red on them (No, I’m not making that up).

- This new devilry. For a start, can I just ask, how they intend to make sure the right people get the ticket. Second, I personally really don’t give a rat’s ass how loud someone’s vehicle is, as long as you don’t regularly go balls to the wall down my street at night. <-(That right there is literally the only place I’m OK with them in concept—on residential streets and only turned on at night) Third, a baby crying is roughly 120-130db. You’re telling me there won’t regularly be false alarms that someone WILL get a ticket for? Also, I’m not a fan of fart-canned Civics and the like, but it’s a significantly more pleasant sound than a crying baby. And probably quieter, considering a jetliner takeoff is also around the 120db mark.

And above all, the whole concept of “put cameras everywhere because we know we’ll catch some people” seems to me dangerously close to the opposite of “innocent until proven guilty”. That goes for speed traps too. Driving around ticketing people you see do shit , one thing. Waiting for them to come to you, especially when the regulation you’re enforcing is the result of an incompetent governing body, not to mention a deliberate creation of low-hanging fruit for revenue generation. In fact, the law actually agrees with this point, as an officer is technically required to form a visual estimate (probably cause) before taking a radar/laser reading to confirm their suspicion. Simply sitting at the side of the road zapping everything in sight is actually illegal.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Sovande 08/16/2018 at 14:18

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A jaywalking pedestrian does not have the right of way.

I fantasize about breaking off a mirror on one of them someday. That’s totally insane, but I can dream... it’s healthier than actually doing it

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Spanfeller is a twat 08/16/2018 at 14:19

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Speed enforcement for the sake of speed enforcement, saving face and revenue generation--bad to ANY extent.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > facw 08/16/2018 at 14:19

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https://oppositelock.kinja.com/1828394518

Spanfeller is a twat > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/16/2018 at 14:27

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Inside a city anyone doing more than 100kmh is a maniac, I’d support fines for speeding above 70 in streets with sidewalks.

Outside a city I’d say put a higher limit than 120  or remove it in good weather

Sovande > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/16/2018 at 14:38

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I dream of that and being broadsided by some asshole on a bicycle who decided the rules at a 4-way stop don’t apply to him. I long t o hear the squeal of the s kinny tires, the thwack of the bike against my right front fender and to see the vision of a spandex-clad better-than-me sailing over my hood into a heap on the ground. I would roll the window down, calmly say “there’s a stop sign, asshole” and proceed merrily on my way.

facw > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/16/2018 at 14:48

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I disagree with just about everything you posted.

On speed cameras: Speed limits are too low, but I think you are wrong about the other points. It might be as you describe now, but if people know there is enforcement more or less everywhere, the situations you describe won’t happen, people will just know not to speed. There’s a big difference in how people behave between erratic high-penalty enforcement and consistent low- penalty enforcement.

Red light cameras: I’m sure all the things you’ve mentioned are problems to some extent. Also a problem: running red lights. Which happens plenty, and is much more dangerous than someone blocking up traffic because they are an idiot. Better to cut down on the light running behavior . If any of the others is at all significant, it shouldn’t be hard to configure the system to flag those behaviors as well.

Noise detection: Identifying the source of a noise is not an especially hard problem. Even cheap ass home assistant /speaker things like the echo dot are able to identify where the speaker is. Much more complex systems exist, for example there is a system that identifies and triangulates gun shot locations based on microphones spread around a city, which is a much harder problem. I’d be very surprised if identifying the right car is a problem here at all. As for where detection takes place, first consider that people live pretty much everywhere. It may not be your residential neighborhood, but chances are that some one lives near by. More importantly, even if you detect an excessively noisy vehicle outside of what you would consider a residential area, chances are that vehicle will be entering one at some point, because if nothing else, the driver probably needs to go home eventually. Further, while you may be ok with loud vehicles during the day, I am not. Now my voice is no more important than yours, but given that these noise laws are already on the books, I’d assume other people agree with me. This is acting to better enforce the law as it exists, not changing the law.

“put cameras everywhere because we know we’ll catch some people” seems to me dangerously close to the opposite of “innocent until proven guilty” 

This strikes me as completely absurd. There is no presumption of guilt here. Using camera or laser to photograph the car does not require a presumption of guilt. Issuing a fine without a mandatory court hearing to prove guilt might, but that’s also how manual ticketing has always worked . Also, I don’t know how it works where you live, but here I’ve never seen anything to the effect that hitting a car with radar is a search that requires a probable cause, and I can’t imagine that checking the speed of a vehicle in plain view on a public road would be considered a search requiring probable cause . In any event, the radar gun is no different than an officer’s eye, just more accurate. The radar gun gives cause to make a stop, it shouldn’t require cause itself. 

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Spanfeller is a twat 08/16/2018 at 15:23

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I find having sidewalks an entirely inadequate yardstick. Especially if you’re talking 70km/h. Of course, that depends on how wide your streets are and how far from the street the sidewalk is.

The other problem I have is context. Cameras can’t take it into account. If someone is being a dick, I have no problem with getting away from them at the earliest opportunity. And frankly, as the third person on the road at that time, I’d rather they got it done as quickly as possible. Of course if they’re running around narrower downtown-ish streets with 100 as their target speed that’s one thing.

The other thing is, I’m not sure what your streets are like in Mexico so we may not be talking the same thing. It’s entirely possible if I came down I’d agree with you.

* FWIW, I’ve had precisely 1 ticket in 7-ish years of driving, and that was 6 years ago, so don’t take this as coming from an angry douche who’s just pissed off that he gets caught all the time. I just generally think the limits (and frankly, the way we think of “limits” as a concept) as utterly ridiculous .

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Sovande 08/16/2018 at 15:30

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I have no problems with people on bikes blowing stop signs.

*break for outrage for maximum effect before supplying context*

IMO there are too many stop signs anyways. Plus, your average biker isn’t moving a ton faster than a car doing a VERY rolling stop. They can also stop faster, and have more time to take in a situation because of their lower speed. I see no reason why they shouldn’t breeze straight on through.

However. The avid road biker, moving at good speed, who simply decides “this doesn’t apply to me” and goes right through regardless of cars being at the intersection... should be run over on sight.

Like most things, my rule is “if it doesn’t interfere with anybody I don’t care”. If I see a biker breeze through an empty intersection and I’m half a block away, I don’t care. If they do it after I stop and am ready to proceed... well...

Sovande > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/16/2018 at 15:35

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I am with you on all those points. I don’t much care about people in cars running stop signs as long as they don’t almost hit me and then ramp up the rage that I dared go when it was my turn when they were clearly not going to stop and were, instead, going to blow through it as though they deemed themselves to be of greater importance due to their tight pants with ass pads.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > facw 08/16/2018 at 16:10

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That’s fine. Difference of opinion is good until is hurts someone.

This will depend on locale to some extent. Here, limits are clinically insane. Ain’t nobody obeying them without being watched 24/7. You WILL have standing waves of traffic worse than we already have, or a toll road. The alleged purpose of limits is road safety, yet they don’t listen to the engineers who say “raise the limit”... they assign ticket quotas to the police... it’s revenue gathering. Call it what it is and make toll roads if you must.

Rather than type everything out I’ll just leave this here. Gist is tbones went down and rear ends went up.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/major-chicago-study-finds-red-light-cameras-not-safer-cause-more-rear-end-injuries/

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2008/03/18/redlight_cameras_cause_more_accidents.html

As far as the turns go, it’s pretty minor. But like I said, all three things are behaviors I HAVE definitely seen more than once. FWIW, I’d like to see the stats for the actual cause of the accident on a lot of those red light runners. I’m fully prepared to be wrong on this, but I’d be willing to bet plenty of them were on their phones. As it happens there’s been a pretty massive crackdown on distracted driving around here (and plenty of other places) the last few years... I don’t think there would be as many red light runners anymore. And frankly, this is cold hearted, but I’d rather see those guys t-boned and shoulder the blame than have someone nail their brakes at the last second and have the person behind them get blamed. Admittedly that’s just me. Also, screw the entire debate and put in roundabouts or the like

Admittedly the whole noise thing is subjective, and I really don’t care or notice. I also know next to nothing about the tech, but I’d still be shocked if there weren’t quite a few false positives. Sound doesn’t necessarily travel in a straight line. It reflects. Besides I personally think the standard is too low. 96db is roughly having your ear 3' from a lawnmower, for example... not that much. If your vehicle is constantly well in excess, that’s one thing. If it peaks higher than that and you get a ticket I think that’s idiotic. As far as them entering a residential area at some point, that’s a point that needs addressed by “peak vs constant”. If you peak a couple times, meh. If you’re car is just straight-up noisy all the time and can’t be run quietly at all it’s an entirely different story. Plus if we’re talking about annoying noises, I’d much rather address “music volume at 11 at all times” people. They’re often louder than their fart can, and a lot less pleasant. Which is saying something.

It admittedly feels awkward to put it that way, and is only worded the way it is because I couldn’t think of another way to put it. But the fact is, police are usually required to estimate the speed of a vehicle before checking. It’s the case here, I know it’s the case in many states, don’t know about all of them. That is EXACTLY the same thing as having to have a reasonable suspicion of someone before detaining them, or getting a warrant to search their property rather than just randomly walking past a house and going “I’ve got nothing better to do, I think I’ll see if that guy’s running a meth lab in his basement”. This isn’t the link I was looking for, but it’ll do. I’ve run across it before so I know it’s not total bogus.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 16:31

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What if this device detects excessive volume, takes a picture of the suspected offender, which could be a large truck or van, but at that exact instant there’s a fart canned civic or motorcycle with open exhaust out of view on the other side of the large vehicle? How does it differentiate where the sound originated? 96db isn't that much. I wonder what unevenly worn mud tires generate...

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 08/16/2018 at 16:34

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I think it would be a local Oppo s duty to record a loud exhaust and play it over a speaker very loudly every time a Prius or Nissan leaf rolled by.

Just do that a few times a week, they’ll end the trial pretty quick

Spanfeller is a twat > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/16/2018 at 17:10

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The limit inside a city should be 50km/h if the street/avenue has a sidewalk and unprotected pedestrian crossings. 30km/h would suffice inside neighborhoods or school zones. As for controlled access roadways the limit could be 100 inside the city, once the built up area clears, up it to 150.

I don’t think fines should pop up until the limit is surpassed by 20km/h because it gives a good margin of error and stops drivers from being pinned to their speedometer to make sure they don’t get a fine. This way fines aren’t predatory and people can concentrate on what’s out of the windshield rather than their speedometer. An officer could stop you for breaking the limit, but it should be a warning. 

BaconSandwich is tasty. > . . 08/16/2018 at 18:33

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It’d be rather ironic if those air horns also happened to go off every time there was a police car passing through the camera’s field of view...

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 18:34

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I think this is a GREAT idea and I would LOVE to have this implemented in my neighborhood as assholes with unmuffled pipes, mostly Harley owners, are a real nuisance.

You can’t sit out on a patio without having one of these completely drown out your ability to have a conversation.

And I’m not talking about vehicles that are just a bit loud. I’m talking loud to the point you can hear them from several blocks away.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 18:36

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“I think it would be a local Oppos duty to record a loud exhaust and play it over a speaker very loudly every time a Prius or Nissan leaf rolled by at an unmuffled motorcycle owner’s house when they’re sitting in their yard trying to have a conversation .”

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > razorbeamteam 08/16/2018 at 18:41

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Traffic laws like that aren’t Orwellian... they’re more “pissed off residents” laws.

They’re a direct response to the far too many motorcyclists who make their bikes as loud as possible.

And I personally am sick of hearing yet another unmuffled Harley.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/16/2018 at 18:47

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Except for overly loud exhausts, I think it would be more reasonable to confiscate the bike, crush it, shred it, then melt down the shredded pieces and form it into Chasity belt, then make the motorcycle owner wear the said belt for at least a year.

Then take their motorcycle license, cut it up, burn it, then pour the ashes on their heads.

I may be a little biased in my views...

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 08/16/2018 at 18:50

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I’ll have to test that next to a Harley with unmuffled pipes some time...

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 08/16/2018 at 18:53

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I’m not saying I encourage this, but, I may have left a five gallon jerry can out next to some Solo cups. Could you please pick them up for me?

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > His Stigness 08/16/2018 at 18:55

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“Why not focus efforts on shit that actually kills/harms people, like DISTRACTED DRIVING???”

Because stupid exhausts piss people off every day there is nice weather.

Just live in an area that’s popular with the straight pipe Harley crowd and you’ve had your conversation drown out or you get woken up at least one time too many.

His Stigness > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 08/16/2018 at 18:57

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Oh trust me, loud exhausts piss me off TO NO END. But, I don’t think towns should start spending money on this shit. I’d much rather they just make it legal for me to beat the shit out of cars with illegal exhausts, or fuck wits that rev the shit out of their car every fucking time they come home!   

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > itschrome 08/16/2018 at 19:00

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“if this sound thing would ticket those dickwads on their loud stupid Harley’s”

That’s EXACTLY the reason why this is being done.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > HammerheadFistpunch 08/16/2018 at 19:06

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Here’s the thing... the reason why this is being done is because of the many LOUD bikes out there... which has pissed off many people in residential neighborhoods.

I’m one of them.

Seriously... it’s more unusual to come across a Harley with stock/quiet pipes.

If they set up automated noise enforcement, I would be very pleased.

If someone were to try to mess with the automated noise enforcement, I would be one of the first people to report them... as well as taking a hammer to the defeat device.

HammerheadFistpunch > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 08/16/2018 at 19:09

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I didn’t say im against them, only they’d be easy to defeat

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > His Stigness 08/16/2018 at 19:12

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Yeah but doing it your way would increase the number of deaths because it will be necessary some of the time to beat the car or bike while the owner is still using it.

His Stigness > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 08/16/2018 at 19:43

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I’d try my hardest not to kill them. Blood is kind of hard to get out. 

wafflesnfalafel > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/16/2018 at 21:36

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that is BS...  (so what happens if you sneak up and scream into it as a Prius drives by?)

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 08/17/2018 at 08:38

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I appear to be in the minority that really doesn’t give a damn. I don’t mind having laws on the books so you can whack an asshole with them once in a while, but I don’t like the idea of them being photo enforced. The only place I don’t mind the concept is in residential areas at night.

DocWalt > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/17/2018 at 10:18

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I’m pretty sure my 100% stock car would trigger these. WTF?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 08/17/2018 at 10:20

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Counterpoint:

I enjoy engine sounds. I would much rather hear a loud exhaust than someone blaring their music or see them drive past buried in their phone....

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/17/2018 at 11:24

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Counter-counterpoint:

I would rather hear loud music as long as it’s rock or disco while seeing them buried in their phone, crashing into a pole and seeing a bird poop on their car than hearing yet another unmuffled Harley!!!

But I have an engine sound here for you to enjoy:

lol

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 08/17/2018 at 12:07

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Other than the idle it actually doesn’t sound that bad, although I like a rattly diesel anyway.

I will digress, I hate hearing Harleys. Not really because of the sound, but because they’re douche owners have to scream the revs in town and rev them like crazy sitting at a stoplight.